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difficult to bear hello everyone and

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welcome to the show i'm martin willis

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your host Michael Lau could be joining

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lot of fun last week and Michael you you

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curiel great guy so Michael how was the

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local man his report however was not

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cosmic bursts that were detected by the

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great app for anyone interested in

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searching through the british ministry

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of defence UFO FILES the UK UFO FILES

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app which is only 99 cents in the apple

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app store allows you to search through

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the files on your iPhone iPad or iPod

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the UK UFO files through the link in our

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show notes there is also a British

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get that link so our European friends

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themselves yeah and Martin what do you

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think about this and some of the other

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digital resources that are out there for

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for those interested in the UFO field

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it's really great but it's only as great

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as the information that they provide you

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as long as it's the right stuff that

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everybody in the chat room than just a

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week in the chat room then you know to

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get on it next week thanks Michael all

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you Israel good doing good and you are

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one percent if not even realize yeah

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this worldwide that there's 30,000

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one percent then that sounds look yeah

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million fighting lightings yes actual

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that but the the perfect way that I like

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skies are is ask your own family ask

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your own family your friends your

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colleagues and outright have you ever

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had a UFO sighting yeah because the k2

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seeing UFOs or had some anomalous

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it somebody has to actually ask them

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offer up their experiences that's right

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if you mind if I tell an experience so I

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recently to me this family member was it

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was going through the mountain pass

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there was cars in front and back all the

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cars stalled all of us and all the cars

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stalled they pulled off to the side of

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the road everybody's looking at each

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other to get out pull up the hoods

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looking at the engines all of a sudden

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now this guy never even knew what a UFO

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was or anything but he's saying all of a

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sudden there's a cigar-shaped cylinder

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floated right over them one girl

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screamed I guess had windows and

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everything and everybody was just

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staring at with her mouth open and it

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made no noise at all and floated through

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the mountain pass and then just kept

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going one guy finally jumped into his

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car turned the key and every single car

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started right back up in the all drove

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away so that's something I mean just out

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of a family member's mouth that all of a

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sudden you talk about interest in UFOs

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and there you go then I had to share my

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family my family a story and I didn't

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actually find out this family story

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until 1998 but in 91 I have an uncle

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who's a dentist and a professor of

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dentistry at a large University inside

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Mexico City and he was on the highway

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along with several other cars between a

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mountainous area and they saw these

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white orbs come over the highway cross

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over the mountain range and he said I

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mean all the cars around him I mean

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people slow down there looking at this

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very bright orb just crossing the sky in

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the middle of the day and he's like you

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know I have no idea what it was I don't

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want to speculate what it was yeah but

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and I don't want anybody know because I

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mean obviously being a professor he's

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very concerned about you know yes its

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position yeah yeah so like you said just

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poke around on your own family can

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probably hear something it has been my

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experience that that is okay

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that's great now what got you involved

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in UFOs to begin with actually that's a

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really bad story and I'll share I'll

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share why look when I was 17 years old I

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was I had a friend in high school you

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know it's near the end of the year I

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known her all year long and she said

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Israel I want to share something with

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you and she said that she grew up on a

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farm in Kansas and then one day her and

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her mom were chased through a field by a

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UFO and it scared her and her mom so

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much that they jumped in the truck

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Novotny truck they abandoned the farm

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actually abandon the husband and never

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went back to Kansas you mean they just

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got in and just drove away they left and

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I wanted to do that before but never

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over UFO well I'm for she 17 years old

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and number one I thought okay you're

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crazy and they're too you just scared

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the hell out of me yeah I know and I'm

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fortunate I never spoke to her again she

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scared me so much really that same

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summer I found the book communion which

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I'm assuming a lot of your readers know

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about um and funny enough here 20 some

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years later I'm a field investigator and

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I cannot tell you how terrible I feel

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about having not spoken to her again

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after she shared her story with me yeah

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and can you ever get over I've actually

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looked her up but I should moved out of

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state so i don't mean I don't know who

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what her last name would be yeah yeah

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well anyway it's been a real pleasure

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meeting you and I noticed a lot of

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people here know you everybody's walking

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up to you so well be real honest with I

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have been very active in trying to

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what's the right term socialize or just

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be more actively in all state north

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carolina we've traveled to five or six

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different cities and we always get

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groups of between 40 and 50 people and

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it's almost always experiencers and i

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say that because these are people who

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had a pretty significant sighting in

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their life yeah it's few people that

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actually come just because they're

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curious yeah but there's a lot of people

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who

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experiences yeah absolutely thanks so

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much you're very welcome to thanks I'm

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with author and radio personality Mac

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Maloney what's going on Mac nothing much

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today hot humid day here in newburyport

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mass but that's a complaint you know

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we're almost neighbors you know we're I

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mean actually work right down the road

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from where you live so this is this is a

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nice convenient podcast let's talk

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quickly about your radio show that

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you're on you also have a once a month

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it's called encounters mm-hmm but your

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your weekly show talk quickly about that

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well it's called Mac Maloney's military

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x-files show we're on its 7 30 to nine

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o'clock Wednesday nights on kg ra radio

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com and we talk about UFOs in the

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military we have gifts on every once in

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a while who are like Air Force fighter

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pilots airline pilots people who work

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for US intelligence agencies they come

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on and use pseudonyms and they tell us

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the side of citing UFOs that you don't

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normally hear that is as I say from

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millet from the military side of things

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intelligence side of things airline

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pilots settings that you would never

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hear about out in the civilian world

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let's say especially airline pilots will

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not will never report UFO sightings to

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the management because it's definitely

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something that you know will be a

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hindrance when you're trying to get a

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promotion have you ever had a pilot on

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oh yeah we have pilots on all the time

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yeah because I've try to get a few

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pilots on and I know I have some friends

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that are pilots and they know people

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that they won't they won't come right

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they're very reluctant to do it but it's

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only because I've known these people for

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a long time and we know that you know we

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will keep their identity confidential we

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all do their voices really like that

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well that's cool yeah but they end but

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they're fantastic sightings but as I

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said the problem is is that with the

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military pilots if you mention it you're

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not going to get your next promotion if

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you're an airline pilot you do not want

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that on your in your dossier let's say

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and with the people who are connected

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with the intelligence services of course

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they're never going to they might talk

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about it to their higher ups but it's

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nothing where I'm

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learn about yeah and then you're on a

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monthly show encounters is that what

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there's no it was chase on that yep

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chase chase lucky she's she's wonderful

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oh yes she's gonna be back on our show

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in a little while she's because she's

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the she's the best she is the one who

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got me into UFO radio in the first place

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and Richard Dolan peter robbins and race

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Hobbs that's the five of us yeah all

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great people now you're booked out now

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is called beyond area 51 your last book

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was UFOs and more time I read that and

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enjoy that I stuck my nose for this book

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as much as I could because I got it in

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the mail not that long ago I'm a slow

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reader by the way so am i but a fast

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writer you right you know I write them I

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don't know if it's fast it's I write a

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lot let's put it that way yeah now I'm

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gonna maybe criticize a little bit here

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or you know but I was reading and you're

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writing matter-of-factly as in the Dulce

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underground that there's actually aliens

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eating human flesh you didn't get I

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didn't get far enough okay so is this

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hearsay type thing I know we don't want

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to spoil too much of the book but well

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it's an anoche if you can call it here

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say because so many people believe it

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you know what happens in that chapter is

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that I write you know the first five

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pages or so you know taking all I did

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was google Dulce mountain and and took

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anecdotes that I that I found mm-hmm put

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them all together and wrote this story

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about what a lot of people think is

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going on and the Sri is that there are

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50,000 aliens living there two different

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kinds of aliens the US government knows

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they're there they're doing all these

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crazy experiments their training men

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into octopus and gorillas into you know

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shocks and all this stuff and there's

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been battles there and the reason

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they're there is that they're going to

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take over the earth they're going to

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make us all zombies and they're going to

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put us to work as slaves on their other

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bases on the moon in on Moz I'm down

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with that me too you know if the you

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know it involves travel yeah I show one

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but them a lot of people believe this

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there's been books written about it

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there's been you know movies done their

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lectures done about it and so on and so

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forth and in it's complete nonsense of

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course but it's very interesting how it

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started and it started by a gentleman

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who lived next to Kirtland Air Force

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Base Paul bennewitz right exactly okay

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so I was hoping you would that's what I

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was going to bring up go ahead go ahead

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and how he stumbled upon two parallel

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running classified programs at Kirtland

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death was bent base back in the 80s

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having to do with nuclear weapons

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storage and the first test flights of

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this of pre stealth airplanes he thought

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that they were UFOs yet monitoring

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nuclear storage facilities again which

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kind of makes sense right yeah and what

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he really stumbled upon was you know

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these classified programs that were in

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place to keep those nukes away from

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prying eyes those being Russian

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satellites going over and he saw

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probably saw a few very early prototypes

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of stealth airplane well instead of the

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f was kind of taking him in and just

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having him sign a security agreement

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which which thousands of people sign

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every year in the military and

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intelligence agencies they chose to feed

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him all this incorrect information yeah

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about what was going on in Dulce

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mountain and um and he believed them he

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has leave them and and he quite

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literally went insane yeah and in it was

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just it was how to it was an exercise in

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how to break a human being right very

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sad very very sad start in one of the

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people who were in cahoots with the Air

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Force in doing this was like a fellow

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UFO community member yeah right bill

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more yeah yeah now I have to say I'm

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relieved and that you're telling me all

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this because i was reading that the god

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oh my god Mac believe right now I leaves

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all this you know so no I'm glad you

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know that that makes me that's restored

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faith we ended on the that part of the

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chapter menswear and someone said that

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if you eat chocolate then the reptilians

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who are living in this mount

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I will leave you alone so we had all

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studied a lot of you know her she buys

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or something but then it just you know

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that says this is it's all nonsense and

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and of course it is but you know there's

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so many people who believe yes is is

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very strange in itself now you basically

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talk about these mysterious basis that

540
00:21:52,970 --> 00:21:50,850
actually do exist in different parts of

541
00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:52,980
the world and again i just skimmed

542
00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:54,419
through the book i read the first part

543
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:55,500
of the book and then I just started

544
00:21:59,600 --> 00:21:57,480
skimming so can you talk a little bit

545
00:22:02,870 --> 00:21:59,610
about about the the basis all around

546
00:22:05,260 --> 00:22:02,880
right there's on it the genesis of the

547
00:22:09,140 --> 00:22:05,270
book came about many many years ago

548
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:09,150
someone I knew was in the Air Force and

549
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:10,890
they were stationed at Nellis Air Force

550
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:12,530
Base which is right outside of Las Vegas

551
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:16,860
and they would fly up to area 51 on a

552
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,490
fairly frequent basis not to do any you

553
00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:22,320
know spoke work but just to fix air

554
00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:23,880
planes that we're flying out of there

555
00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:26,460
and but they were a little bit more on

556
00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:28,110
the inside than anyone that I had ever

557
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:31,049
met and I had said to them once um you

558
00:22:36,860 --> 00:22:33,450
know is area 51 the only place out there

559
00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:36,870
like that my question was either area 52

560
00:22:40,940 --> 00:22:39,659
53 54 so on and so forth you might not

561
00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:40,950
call them that but yeah I've got the

562
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:42,270
idea and he says sure he says they're

563
00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:44,010
there are other places out there in

564
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:45,539
Nevada there are other places around the

565
00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:47,220
country there are other places around

566
00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:49,860
the world and I just kind of kept that

567
00:22:55,549 --> 00:22:52,470
idea in my head and when I had to do a

568
00:22:57,980 --> 00:22:55,559
follow-up book for UFOs at one time and

569
00:23:00,590 --> 00:22:57,990
I had to present an idea to the

570
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:00,600
publisher I just came up with that idea

571
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:02,610
I said let's write a book about area 51

572
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,490
that had that isn't about area 51 is

573
00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:07,440
area 51 has been kind of done to death

574
00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:10,710
nonfiction wise I think so they said

575
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:12,419
okay so that's what happened so we just

576
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:14,850
did a you know a lot of research and

577
00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:17,130
found these I think there are 16 places

578
00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:18,539
around the world that we found that

579
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:20,280
they're not all military bases but a lot

580
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:22,710
of them are but the unusual thing is

581
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:25,260
that the vast majority of them have some

582
00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:27,450
kind of a UFO connection to them mmm

583
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:31,080
UFOs are whatever UFOs are and I don't

584
00:23:35,030 --> 00:23:32,480
think anyone really knows what they are

585
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,040
but whatever they add they're attracted

586
00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:37,360
to these secret bases

587
00:23:44,010 --> 00:23:39,700
almost all of these secret bases with

588
00:23:46,530 --> 00:23:44,020
two glaring exceptions have a UFO

589
00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:46,540
history to them now would someone argue

590
00:23:50,850 --> 00:23:48,670
that those are secret military craft

591
00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:50,860
well they could be you know there's a

592
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,590
very good chance that they are but some

593
00:23:58,020 --> 00:23:56,080
of them are you know a couple of these

594
00:24:00,060 --> 00:23:58,030
bases don't have runways let's say you

595
00:24:02,220 --> 00:24:00,070
know they're not air bases they're just

596
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:02,230
based in secret bases especially in the

597
00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:04,809
UK the the chapter that we devote to

598
00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:08,830
ariat Britain's area 51 is really just a

599
00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:11,860
search looking for it and luckily I had

600
00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:16,150
help from Nick Redfern and nick pope you

601
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:17,710
know where we just come up with like a

602
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:21,730
top 10 of where England's area 51 might

603
00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:25,120
be and the place that we determine its

604
00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:27,820
called rudd low banner and it's it's

605
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:30,940
like an old English estate it does not

606
00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:34,770
look like really any air base at all so

607
00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:36,940
they all have that one thing in common

608
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:39,400
though some kind of UFO activity always

609
00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:41,890
seems to come along with the with the

610
00:24:46,890 --> 00:24:43,660
history of these places well going back

611
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:46,900
to Dulce I talked to bill burns he was

612
00:24:52,289 --> 00:24:49,330
actually on my second podcast from UFO

613
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:52,299
hunters and you know they did a show on

614
00:24:58,890 --> 00:24:55,470
the Dulce base and there was a weird

615
00:25:02,159 --> 00:24:58,900
half human half cow thing did you happen

616
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:02,169
to see that and and but but the thing is

617
00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:03,520
when I was talking to him he says

618
00:25:08,370 --> 00:25:06,580
something weird is going on there and

619
00:25:10,890 --> 00:25:08,380
it's a weird area and a lot of these

620
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:10,900
places are just plain weird just playin

621
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:12,850
wit is really a good description a lot

622
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:15,490
of these places in you know I don't

623
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:17,290
believe that there are 50,000 aliens

624
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,910
inside this mountain that Emmy what

625
00:25:22,140 --> 00:25:20,080
would they be doing that that's a lot of

626
00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:22,150
that's a lot you know well that's like

627
00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:23,620
when someone says there's some people

628
00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:25,900
living inside of Venus afternoon that'd

629
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:27,790
be kind of dreary dreary yeah what are

630
00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:29,650
you doing all day you know but today

631
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:32,260
ting yeah that that whole area is

632
00:25:37,169 --> 00:25:34,690
strange and there there are some strange

633
00:25:39,299 --> 00:25:37,179
stories about you know cattle

634
00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:39,309
mutilations and things yes that have

635
00:25:43,890 --> 00:25:41,080
been going on there and and people have

636
00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:43,900
seen so many people have seen them that

637
00:25:47,869 --> 00:25:46,120
they can't be just not true you know

638
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,879
helicopters landing in

639
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,679
dropping off the remains of animals and

640
00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:51,659
stuff like that well you know bennewitz

641
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:54,299
was in that area to begin with about

642
00:25:58,729 --> 00:25:56,609
because of cattle brightly yep yep that

643
00:26:01,099 --> 00:25:58,739
was really the thread that that started

644
00:26:02,869 --> 00:26:01,109
him on yeah you know this this sad

645
00:26:06,019 --> 00:26:02,879
journey that he wound up taking right

646
00:26:08,689 --> 00:26:06,029
right so you mentioned that most of

647
00:26:11,989 --> 00:26:08,699
these bases are military other private

648
00:26:13,999 --> 00:26:11,999
entities as well in Britain all of this

649
00:26:16,639 --> 00:26:14,009
stuff has been farmed out to private

650
00:26:19,879 --> 00:26:16,649
industry uh-huh you know and and so of

651
00:26:22,189 --> 00:26:19,889
the top 10 suspected area 51 locations

652
00:26:25,129 --> 00:26:22,199
in Britain I think eight of them are now

653
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:25,139
under a private they're privately owned

654
00:26:30,619 --> 00:26:27,779
by one of them is by British Aerospace

655
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:30,629
bae for instance runs at least one of

656
00:26:36,439 --> 00:26:33,569
them but for the most part like we do we

657
00:26:39,439 --> 00:26:36,449
talk about ones in in russia obviously

658
00:26:41,899 --> 00:26:39,449
the Russian military runs them Pine Gap

659
00:26:45,019 --> 00:26:41,909
in Australia is jointly run by the US in

660
00:26:47,509 --> 00:26:45,029
Australia we talk about not quite a base

661
00:26:49,609 --> 00:26:47,519
in China but this very odd set up that

662
00:26:51,889 --> 00:26:49,619
the Chinese military has in a place

663
00:26:54,399 --> 00:26:51,899
called hung young kang in the middle of

664
00:26:57,619 --> 00:26:54,409
China we talked a little bit about the

665
00:27:00,439 --> 00:26:57,629
the Nazi bell of World War two oh yes we

666
00:27:02,509 --> 00:27:00,449
really kind of hopefully put a knife in

667
00:27:05,089 --> 00:27:02,519
that story forever and let's hear the

668
00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:05,099
knife well it's just one of these things

669
00:27:13,219 --> 00:27:09,419
that it started with one person just

670
00:27:16,309 --> 00:27:13,229
outrageous claims that he saw files and

671
00:27:18,589 --> 00:27:16,319
papers by this SS Colonel who claimed

672
00:27:20,719 --> 00:27:18,599
that they were building a you know take

673
00:27:23,509 --> 00:27:20,729
your pick it's a time machine it's some

674
00:27:25,939 --> 00:27:23,519
kind of a generator it's a it's

675
00:27:29,209 --> 00:27:25,949
something that a rocket ship could use

676
00:27:31,129 --> 00:27:29,219
as a propulsion unit you name it

677
00:27:33,049 --> 00:27:31,139
everything that you can dream up this

678
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:33,059
thing was supposed to be but if you

679
00:27:37,129 --> 00:27:34,529
really look into it you find out that

680
00:27:40,969 --> 00:27:37,139
this person who made these claims never

681
00:27:43,879 --> 00:27:40,979
actually had the papers there was no

682
00:27:45,199 --> 00:27:43,889
evidence at all that this SS Colonel who

683
00:27:48,349 --> 00:27:45,209
was supposed to have generated these

684
00:27:51,949 --> 00:27:48,359
papers even had anything to do with

685
00:27:54,979 --> 00:27:51,959
anything other than running a a death

686
00:27:57,469 --> 00:27:54,989
camp nearby there's all kinds of stories

687
00:27:59,800 --> 00:27:57,479
about how the Nazis were in touch with

688
00:28:02,410 --> 00:27:59,810
these people on a planet way out

689
00:28:05,650 --> 00:28:02,420
you know several light-years away that

690
00:28:09,010 --> 00:28:05,660
they were taking instructions for them

691
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,020
in getting technology from aliens and

692
00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:11,600
things and the point that we make in the

693
00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:14,030
book in we made it as well in UFOs at

694
00:28:19,810 --> 00:28:16,190
one time is you know when you take this

695
00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:19,820
whole idea that the Nazis had UFOs and

696
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:22,040
that they had you know people claim they

697
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:23,810
have a secret base in Antarctica and

698
00:28:27,610 --> 00:28:25,610
that there's a base on the moon and so

699
00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:27,620
on and so forth well if they had all

700
00:28:31,870 --> 00:28:29,780
this technology this really way out

701
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:31,880
technology for the 1940s why did they

702
00:28:34,750 --> 00:28:33,650
lose the war yeah they just take over

703
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:34,760
the world they would just take over the

704
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:37,310
world in a matter of you know days yeah

705
00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:41,770
I mean to to create the atom bomb took

706
00:28:47,770 --> 00:28:45,860
34 years it took factories in 16 States

707
00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:47,780
it took a half a million people and it

708
00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:51,230
took 25 billion dollars that's a lot of

709
00:28:55,060 --> 00:28:53,660
people that's a lot of time that's a lot

710
00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:55,070
of locations and that's a lot of

711
00:29:01,120 --> 00:28:59,330
infrastructure and when we you know

712
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:01,130
defeated Germany went into Germany they

713
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:04,450
found nothing nothing even close to a

714
00:29:09,850 --> 00:29:07,250
setup like that that would have been

715
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:09,860
needed if all these things were true

716
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:13,370
yeah you know it's it it really here's

717
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:15,710
two cases right here we're talking first

718
00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:17,810
of all we talked about the Dulce

719
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:20,600
underground myth and then about this one

720
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:22,970
in particular image it just goes to show

721
00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:24,710
that if enough people say it for long

722
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:26,750
enough and write about it it just gets

723
00:29:31,450 --> 00:29:29,210
almost passed off as fact right and

724
00:29:34,210 --> 00:29:31,460
that's why there's a chapter in the book

725
00:29:35,470 --> 00:29:34,220
about a place called Long's hat which

726
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:35,480
I'm sure you've never heard of never

727
00:29:39,130 --> 00:29:37,370
heard of it's in the Pine Barrens in New

728
00:29:43,030 --> 00:29:39,140
Jersey never heard of that Pine Barrens

729
00:29:45,610 --> 00:29:43,040
is this huge forested swampy section of

730
00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:45,620
New Jersey takes up a lot of the state

731
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:47,060
of New Jersey but very few people know

732
00:29:51,910 --> 00:29:49,310
it's there no one lives there the new

733
00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:51,920
jersey devil is from there which is

734
00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:55,040
where the hockey team got its name you

735
00:30:01,420 --> 00:29:59,090
know the 95 95 goes through it Atlantic

736
00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:01,430
the Atlantic City Highway goes through

737
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:04,160
it but it's the only way it's really

738
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:05,360
become famous is that there was an

739
00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:07,250
episode of The Sopranos about the Pine

740
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:09,830
Barrens so anyway there's a small town

741
00:30:12,670 --> 00:30:10,250
and the

742
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:12,680
middle of it called Aang's hat it's been

743
00:30:19,030 --> 00:30:15,290
there for several hundred years and the

744
00:30:24,610 --> 00:30:19,040
story was that these two twins who were

745
00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:24,620
really far-out thinking physicists a boy

746
00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:26,750
and a girl went to Princeton got thrown

747
00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:28,070
out of Princeton because they were

748
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:30,140
trying to sell a theory that called

749
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:33,770
cognitive chaos which that just threw

750
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:37,730
very very simple manipulation of a

751
00:30:41,710 --> 00:30:39,770
person's body and a person's

752
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:41,720
consciousness they could go to other

753
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:45,370
dimensions and so they set up their

754
00:30:51,220 --> 00:30:48,530
their camp their laboratory and Long's

755
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:51,230
hat and a trailer and sure enough they

756
00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:53,930
come upon how they can do this and they

757
00:30:58,270 --> 00:30:55,580
give this little community and they send

758
00:31:00,850 --> 00:30:58,280
this one kid into another dimension and

759
00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:00,860
he comes back and suddenly they're all

760
00:31:05,380 --> 00:31:02,630
traveling to different dimensions and

761
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:05,390
stuff and and then when it got to the

762
00:31:11,290 --> 00:31:08,570
point where they were you know just

763
00:31:14,650 --> 00:31:11,300
basically interdimensional travelers at

764
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,660
the height of it the Delta Force came in

765
00:31:20,260 --> 00:31:17,120
and burned down the place and killed

766
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,270
them all okay that's the story now I

767
00:31:25,090 --> 00:31:22,880
mean it's just well here it is what we

768
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:25,100
were just talking about it that was a

769
00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:26,930
story intentionally created by a guy

770
00:31:31,270 --> 00:31:29,630
named Joseph Matheny on the internet

771
00:31:33,940 --> 00:31:31,280
what he was trying to do was he was

772
00:31:36,610 --> 00:31:33,950
trying to create the first myth on the

773
00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:36,620
world wide web ok this is in the 80s now

774
00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:38,030
one yeah you know what is still very new

775
00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:40,220
and he and some of his cohorts got

776
00:31:45,820 --> 00:31:41,990
together and they started putting

777
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:45,830
stories on all over they call them

778
00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:48,650
ezines back then in bulletin boards hey

779
00:31:52,450 --> 00:31:50,600
this is happening along stat New Jersey

780
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:52,460
this happen this amnesty and people

781
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:53,630
started reading them and then people

782
00:32:00,420 --> 00:31:56,090
started adding their own stuff to it and

783
00:32:02,890 --> 00:32:00,430
so once again it becomes like a huge

784
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:02,900
game of telephone that kids would play

785
00:32:05,380 --> 00:32:04,250
on your whisper one thing and by the

786
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:05,390
time it comes around the whole different

787
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:07,190
story whole different story yeah they

788
00:32:12,610 --> 00:32:08,890
intentionally did that and it worked and

789
00:32:14,530 --> 00:32:12,620
so what what happens from that is and

790
00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:14,540
that's why we put this chapter in is

791
00:32:20,140 --> 00:32:17,380
that there's so many stories and so many

792
00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:20,150
myths in the UFO community Dulce

793
00:32:23,030 --> 00:32:21,500
mountain being one the belv be in

794
00:32:24,890 --> 00:32:23,040
another way if P

795
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:24,900
we'll just keep telling them over and

796
00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:27,510
over again in a way they become true and

797
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,120
we have a guy named Michael Kinsella who

798
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:32,220
has written extensively about this and

799
00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:34,500
he's quoted in the book he says that's

800
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:36,150
that's how it is is that you know if

801
00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:37,890
people just keep talking about things

802
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:40,830
they they become true in a way now I

803
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:42,570
know every time you and I talked i bring

804
00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:46,320
this up you're a Roswell non-believer so

805
00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:48,030
do you think it's the same yes thing

806
00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:50,070
right yeah I don't believe anything

807
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,780
really happened at Roswell though I

808
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:54,480
believe it's another UFO myth but it had

809
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:56,010
a very interesting beginning in the B

810
00:32:59,840 --> 00:32:57,960
then that is that the f was actually put

811
00:33:01,880 --> 00:32:59,850
a headline out saying they had captured

812
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:01,890
a flying disc so but what has happened

813
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:04,740
is that story has been just retold so

814
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:06,210
many times probably more than any other

815
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:08,610
UFO myth if we can call it that I mean

816
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:10,170
there's been many many books are in

817
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:13,110
Nevada movies TV shows I mean and what's

818
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:15,330
happening down there now it's like a

819
00:33:21,050 --> 00:33:17,820
it's like carnival every day down there

820
00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:21,060
yeah it's a tourist a trap to someone

821
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:22,470
that recently stopped in there was

822
00:33:26,030 --> 00:33:24,210
telling me about it and it's even just

823
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:26,040
you my cell Jr who we had on the show

824
00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:29,970
great guy he now lives up in Idaho some

825
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:31,680
place up in the American Northwest and

826
00:33:36,410 --> 00:33:32,940
he just didn't want to live there

827
00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:36,420
anymore so I think that it I think these

828
00:33:40,010 --> 00:33:38,430
stories that just keep on growing and

829
00:33:42,050 --> 00:33:40,020
growing and growing without any kind of

830
00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:42,060
verification of any quote unquote facts

831
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,400
i think they started with Roswell and i

832
00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:45,840
think there's been a number of them

833
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,550
since and I think that else I mountain

834
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:49,620
is one I think the Bell is another one

835
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,820
and there there are just many many

836
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:53,100
others and I think these things they

837
00:33:58,460 --> 00:33:56,100
bake cloud the real picture the real UFO

838
00:34:01,220 --> 00:33:58,470
puzzle and I think they actually detract

839
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:01,230
from people who are doing you know real

840
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:02,970
kind of research into figuring out what

841
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:04,860
UFOs I think these things are a

842
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:07,620
hindrance to it yes now I'm gonna tell

843
00:34:12,110 --> 00:34:10,050
the listener if you listen to this and

844
00:34:14,659 --> 00:34:12,120
you hear me not arguing about Roswell we

845
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:14,669
can go back and listen to mac Maloney I

846
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:16,200
argued with him back then we don't have

847
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:18,330
to rehash it that's right yeah so

848
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:21,810
there's a chapter 13 the case of

849
00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:23,970
Saddam's area 51 can you talk about that

850
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:26,220
you know once again this is a story that

851
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:30,090
we got from Russian sources which are

852
00:34:35,659 --> 00:34:31,740
always interested really intriguing

853
00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:35,669
Russian sources right we there's a story

854
00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:36,870
that was kicking around

855
00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:39,030
and we headed in UFOs in one time that

856
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:41,600
there are a number of UFO incidents

857
00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:44,910
during the first Gulf War and this is

858
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,860
during one in UFOs and what time the

859
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:48,720
case we try to make is that UFOs have

860
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:50,250
seen more in one time than the peace

861
00:34:54,830 --> 00:34:52,470
time yes and so there were a number of

862
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:54,840
UFO incidents over the Gulf especially

863
00:35:00,440 --> 00:34:56,550
in the six months leading up to the Gulf

864
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:00,450
War after Saddam had invaded Kuwait and

865
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:02,490
especially during the war itself we had

866
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:04,890
stories about UFOs being intercepted by

867
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:06,930
planes on their way to bond bag that and

868
00:35:12,350 --> 00:35:09,660
so on but there was this one story that

869
00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:12,360
kept coming up saying that in that time

870
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:16,230
between the first Gulf War in the vision

871
00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:20,040
of Iraq in 2003 that Saddam's yet I

872
00:35:26,330 --> 00:35:22,760
aircraft was shot down in UFO and

873
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:26,340
recovered it and then brought it to this

874
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:27,930
place whose name I'm not even going to

875
00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:31,290
try to pronounce but a secret base that

876
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:34,280
people were calling Saddam's area 51

877
00:35:39,110 --> 00:35:36,810
inside this place and once again these

878
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:39,120
kind of Russian sources wrote about this

879
00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:44,640
in Providence engineered some technology

880
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,220
found on this UFO and turned it into a

881
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:49,680
weapon of mass destruction there's also

882
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:51,450
a story that there was some kind of a

883
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:54,960
weapon there that shot at the Challenger

884
00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:57,720
Space Shuttle the one that crashed the

885
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:00,420
most recent one years ago and that did

886
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:02,700
have an Israeli pilot on it in fact that

887
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:05,250
Israeli pilot was one of the pilots who

888
00:36:13,070 --> 00:36:08,990
was in on the bombing of Iraqi nuclear

889
00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:13,080
reactor in the early 80s so once again

890
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:15,750
these are maybe threads that more dotted

891
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,060
lines than anything but there was these

892
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:20,700
like conspiracy conspiracy theories that

893
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:23,610
I mean in your wood would the Iraqis

894
00:36:26,570 --> 00:36:25,320
really have a weapon like this but on

895
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:26,580
the other hand when you really look at

896
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:29,970
what happened in the Iraqi invasion they

897
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,800
were supposed to have gone in there to

898
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:33,900
look for nuclear weapons biological

899
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:35,490
weapons chemical weapons they didn't

900
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:37,410
find any of that stuff so yeah yeah

901
00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:38,430
there are some people say what would

902
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,950
they were really looking for was this

903
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:41,520
WMD that would had been

904
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:44,700
reverse-engineered from a UFO it's a

905
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:46,410
fantastic story well you know with the

906
00:36:48,819 --> 00:36:47,820
writing of any book you wanted to be

907
00:36:50,769 --> 00:36:48,829
entertaining

908
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:50,779
and there were several stories in there

909
00:36:57,150 --> 00:36:52,729
that said they were just too good not to

910
00:37:00,190 --> 00:36:57,160
include you know did George Bush send

911
00:37:03,269 --> 00:37:00,200
you know two hundred thousand US troops

912
00:37:05,709 --> 00:37:03,279
into Iraq to try to get a some kind of a

913
00:37:09,099 --> 00:37:05,719
massive weapon of mass destruction that

914
00:37:13,059 --> 00:37:09,109
was ranging it from you at all probably

915
00:37:15,249 --> 00:37:13,069
not but you know i mean the explanation

916
00:37:16,989 --> 00:37:15,259
he gave us didn't work either so yeah I

917
00:37:18,789 --> 00:37:16,999
suppose anything's possible through all

918
00:37:20,469 --> 00:37:18,799
the different research that you did for

919
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:20,479
this book was there anything that was

920
00:37:24,849 --> 00:37:22,940
really super compelling to you that was

921
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:24,859
what was it what was your most interest

922
00:37:29,049 --> 00:37:26,930
in part the most interesting place that

923
00:37:31,930 --> 00:37:29,059
we looked into is a place called the M

924
00:37:34,749 --> 00:37:31,940
triangle in Russia and not many people

925
00:37:37,479 --> 00:37:34,759
didn't know about this place and it's

926
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:37,489
also called the perm anomalous zone it's

927
00:37:43,299 --> 00:37:40,249
as I say near the Ural Mountains it's 40

928
00:37:44,739 --> 00:37:43,309
square miles mostly heavy heavily

929
00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:44,749
forested but there are some kind of

930
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:46,700
valleys and meadows and it actually

931
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:48,940
looks like this kind of heavenly place

932
00:37:56,109 --> 00:37:54,079
well in the old Soviet Union people were

933
00:37:57,999 --> 00:37:56,119
not allowed to go into this place and in

934
00:37:59,680 --> 00:37:58,009
the villages the people who live in

935
00:38:02,319 --> 00:37:59,690
villages close by there's not many of

936
00:38:04,299 --> 00:38:02,329
them but this place was always thought

937
00:38:06,099 --> 00:38:04,309
of as like kind of like a haunted forest

938
00:38:07,689 --> 00:38:06,109
and people would would not go in there

939
00:38:10,509 --> 00:38:07,699
the only people who are going in there

940
00:38:13,539 --> 00:38:10,519
during the Soviet is were the KGB when

941
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:13,549
the Soviet Union fell and this slightly

942
00:38:20,019 --> 00:38:17,180
more liberal Russian government took

943
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,029
place they did start allowing

944
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:22,880
journalists and researches into DM

945
00:38:28,959 --> 00:38:25,880
triangle and what they found was first

946
00:38:32,349 --> 00:38:28,969
of all UFO sighted there almost every

947
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:32,359
day and heavily documented but it was

948
00:38:35,469 --> 00:38:33,890
even more than that I mean there were

949
00:38:39,309 --> 00:38:35,479
stories about encounters with you know

950
00:38:42,189 --> 00:38:39,319
ETS the animals they have no fear of

951
00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:42,199
humans the fish will come right up to

952
00:38:45,579 --> 00:38:44,180
you if you're like waiting in a stream

953
00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:45,589
or something but there's also things

954
00:38:54,459 --> 00:38:49,069
like it's hard to light a match there

955
00:38:57,370 --> 00:38:54,469
without it exploding people are camping

956
00:38:59,920 --> 00:38:57,380
out in as I say a heavy heavily forested

957
00:39:02,019 --> 00:38:59,930
area and they hear traffic going by they

958
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:02,029
hit people speaking they've recorded

959
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:02,960
these things

960
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:07,200
they hear like a ghostly choir you can't

961
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,850
make a phone call anywhere in the M

962
00:39:13,850 --> 00:39:10,980
triangle except in this one place that's

963
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:13,860
five by five that they call the call box

964
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:15,540
and if you are standing in that with

965
00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:16,650
your cell phone you can make a phone

966
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,360
call to anywhere in the world we mean 5

967
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:20,880
by 5 55 feet by 5 feet just really he's

968
00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:22,710
just a I don't know how they found it

969
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:24,870
but they did was any of this verifiable

970
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:27,230
well there's a lot of russian research

971
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:29,610
has been written about it and there are

972
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:31,800
a number of researchers over there who

973
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:34,310
go in there all the time they bring

974
00:39:39,860 --> 00:39:36,390
groups of people and then they stay for

975
00:39:43,610 --> 00:39:39,870
one or two weeks People magazine did a

976
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:43,620
big story on early eighties and the

977
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,050
either ancient aliens other UFO Hunters

978
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:48,960
went there but the strange thing about

979
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:51,810
this place is and we are relying on

980
00:39:58,100 --> 00:39:55,440
mostly Russian research but it just

981
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:58,110
seems to be so much of it that it some

982
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:01,920
of it has to be true yeah and it almost

983
00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:04,440
sounds like an almost you're talking

984
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:06,150
really about you know interdimensional

985
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:07,740
it almost sounds like another dimension

986
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,300
right there when you hear traffic and

987
00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:11,040
people rocking right yeah that's bizarre

988
00:40:16,850 --> 00:40:13,230
Oh people have gone in there with

989
00:40:18,140 --> 00:40:16,860
diseases and come out cured the Russians

990
00:40:20,060 --> 00:40:18,150
say when you win there when you come out

991
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,070
you have a new soul is how they put it

992
00:40:24,350 --> 00:40:21,920
you come out like a different person and

993
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,360
you know happier and you know whatever

994
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:27,000
but there's this one instant where and

995
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:29,160
this is the People magazine article

996
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:31,530
really zoomed in on this was this

997
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:34,230
gentleman who whose name is so Russia

998
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:35,220
and I'm not even going to try to

999
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,280
pronounce it he was a he was washed out

1000
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:40,560
of the Soviet military for medical

1001
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:42,210
reasons he was unemployed for a while he

1002
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:44,130
became a journalist and right around

1003
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:45,810
this time they started letting people

1004
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:49,410
into the M triangle he got an assignment

1005
00:40:53,090 --> 00:40:51,810
to go in as a journalist and join one of

1006
00:40:55,930 --> 00:40:53,100
these groups that stay in there for a

1007
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:55,940
couple weeks he did this he came out

1008
00:41:02,840 --> 00:40:58,530
went back to Moscow started writing a

1009
00:41:05,350 --> 00:41:02,850
story and suddenly found himself filled

1010
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:05,360
with knowledge of astrophysics of

1011
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:08,070
astronomy of just plain ordinary physics

1012
00:41:13,220 --> 00:41:10,140
he had never had any training and this

1013
00:41:14,570 --> 00:41:13,230
before and within a year and a half he

1014
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:14,580
was a cosmonaut

1015
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:19,170
and all this you know do they have

1016
00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:22,710
one-way tickets they're open a resort

1017
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:24,150
there yeah I know I'm surprised that

1018
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:26,310
there isn't Disneyland there but you

1019
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:28,260
know this this guy is actually you know

1020
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:30,090
this is he's kind of living proof that i

1021
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:32,250
guess that very strange things happen in

1022
00:41:36,590 --> 00:41:34,470
this place people called a little piece

1023
00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:36,600
of heaven on earth and just when you

1024
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:38,430
read about it and see pictures of it you

1025
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:41,610
know it looks very kind of pastoral just

1026
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,130
kind of heavenly in a way you know now

1027
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:46,800
does it occupied by someone no it's just

1028
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:49,800
it's just a barren land as they say a

1029
00:41:53,540 --> 00:41:51,750
lot of flowers but a lot of kind of

1030
00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:53,550
meadows and valleys and nice and you

1031
00:41:56,090 --> 00:41:54,750
know rivers running through it and

1032
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,100
everything no one lives there no one's

1033
00:42:00,590 --> 00:41:58,680
ever lived there why this place is like

1034
00:42:01,940 --> 00:42:00,600
that no one really knows I mean there's

1035
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:01,950
stories that there might have been some

1036
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:04,740
kind of a secret base there the KGB like

1037
00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:05,760
I say were the only people who are

1038
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:08,550
allowed in there before the Soviet Union

1039
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:12,480
fell and now the the present-day KGB is

1040
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:16,290
club the FSB the Federal service bureau

1041
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:19,380
I think they call it the Monday KGB

1042
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:21,780
they're always hanging around there but

1043
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:24,450
there is access there I would love to go

1044
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:26,490
there just to see what what is really

1045
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,350
going on road trip really yeah but

1046
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:30,480
everyone who goes there everyone who

1047
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:33,180
goes there seems to come out change in

1048
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,490
some way and for the most part the

1049
00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:37,800
better it's just a very strange place

1050
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:39,630
and in of all the places in the book

1051
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:40,920
that's the one that had me on the most

1052
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:42,690
kind of a thing i'm gonna i'm going to

1053
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:46,290
skip to that chapter tonight yeah now

1054
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:48,750
you talk a little bit about the well i

1055
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:50,460
guess i could call it a myth more or

1056
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,610
less the underground bases for us owes

1057
00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:56,220
do you talk about that uh-huh and that

1058
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:00,390
means unidentified submersible object is

1059
00:43:05,570 --> 00:43:02,430
that that exactly submerged objects

1060
00:43:10,070 --> 00:43:05,580
emerged VI okay the US Navy has their

1061
00:43:12,620 --> 00:43:10,080
own area 51 it's called Autec a ute see

1062
00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:12,630
is it off Florida it's in the Bahamas it

1063
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:14,580
isn't this one of it has two locations

1064
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:16,680
one of them is on the eastern coast of

1065
00:43:21,830 --> 00:43:18,770
Florida and then one of them the major

1066
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:21,840
installation is on Andros Island in the

1067
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:24,270
Bahamas which just happens to be right

1068
00:43:27,970 --> 00:43:25,609
in the middle of the premier to try

1069
00:43:29,650 --> 00:43:27,980
so the US Navy built their secret base

1070
00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:29,660
in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle

1071
00:43:34,479 --> 00:43:32,359
which i think is you know awesome in odd

1072
00:43:36,099 --> 00:43:34,489
at the same time and what they do there

1073
00:43:38,529 --> 00:43:36,109
is what they say they do is there's a

1074
00:43:41,799 --> 00:43:38,539
right next to it is a thing called the

1075
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:41,809
tongue of the ocean Toto and it's a deep

1076
00:43:48,999 --> 00:43:47,089
trench it goes down quite far and they

1077
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:49,009
bring their nuclear submarines there

1078
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,950
whether they've just been launched or if

1079
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:53,839
they have new equipment put on and they

1080
00:43:57,279 --> 00:43:55,369
basically go down it's a place where

1081
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:57,289
they can go down very very deep and

1082
00:44:01,180 --> 00:43:59,210
monitor what's going on with the

1083
00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:01,190
submarines okay and that's what they do

1084
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:03,220
that there's no doubt about it however

1085
00:44:09,339 --> 00:44:06,730
they have billions of dollars worth of

1086
00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:09,349
monitoring equipment there for both

1087
00:44:14,739 --> 00:44:13,190
under the ocean and in the skies they

1088
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:14,749
have radar systems there that can see

1089
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:17,529
hundreds and hundreds of miles out in

1090
00:44:25,779 --> 00:44:21,529
hundreds of you 100 or so miles up at

1091
00:44:28,509 --> 00:44:25,789
the same time there are dozens of its

1092
00:44:31,029 --> 00:44:28,519
probably hundreds of UFO reports coming

1093
00:44:33,759 --> 00:44:31,039
from that area over the years UFO

1094
00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:33,769
reports in USO reports I mean from

1095
00:44:38,769 --> 00:44:35,900
civilians and civilian yeah right and

1096
00:44:41,259 --> 00:44:38,779
you know reported in newspapers and so

1097
00:44:43,749 --> 00:44:41,269
on and it's almost like an everyday

1098
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:43,759
occurrence down there and people who are

1099
00:44:48,249 --> 00:44:45,710
civilian workers that Autec have

1100
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:48,259
reported these things as well so here's

1101
00:44:54,759 --> 00:44:51,650
the question that we have in the chapter

1102
00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:54,769
is on one hand the Navy says well it's

1103
00:44:58,809 --> 00:44:56,390
just a coincidence that we built this

1104
00:45:02,410 --> 00:44:58,819
secret base in the middle of the Bermuda

1105
00:45:04,210 --> 00:45:02,420
Triangle yes we have billions of dollars

1106
00:45:06,130 --> 00:45:04,220
worth of this monitoring equipment we

1107
00:45:08,349 --> 00:45:06,140
can see things coming in the air from

1108
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,359
hundreds of miles away we know what's

1109
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:10,400
going on in the ocean hundreds of miles

1110
00:45:15,489 --> 00:45:12,650
around us but we don't know anything

1111
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:15,499
about UFOs in u.s. oh so that either

1112
00:45:19,690 --> 00:45:17,569
tell you one or two things either all

1113
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:19,700
this billions of millions of dollars of

1114
00:45:24,099 --> 00:45:21,170
equipment they have down there doesn't

1115
00:45:25,749 --> 00:45:24,109
work yeah are they lying yeah what do

1116
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,759
you think I think they lying yeah I

1117
00:45:28,989 --> 00:45:27,440
think you know this stuff that they have

1118
00:45:32,019 --> 00:45:28,999
if they can see every inch of ocean

1119
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:32,029
between literally dream you'da in Puerto

1120
00:45:37,210 --> 00:45:34,700
Rico yeah and if people are seeing UFOs

1121
00:45:38,779 --> 00:45:37,220
coming out of the water and we have some

1122
00:45:40,909 --> 00:45:38,789
really fantastic stories in

1123
00:45:42,409 --> 00:45:40,919
you know of things in the water and then

1124
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:42,419
coming out of water and taking off like

1125
00:45:46,939 --> 00:45:45,390
a convention UFO if they don't know that

1126
00:45:48,709 --> 00:45:46,949
stuff is going on you know they should

1127
00:45:49,939 --> 00:45:48,719
really check for the minute check back

1128
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,949
with the manufacturer of all that

1129
00:45:53,269 --> 00:45:51,359
monitoring equipment because it's not

1130
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:53,279
working yeah it's a very interesting

1131
00:45:57,799 --> 00:45:55,529
plays a highly secret place I was able

1132
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:57,809
to talk to someone because I know a few

1133
00:46:00,709 --> 00:45:59,249
people who work in the intelligence

1134
00:46:01,729 --> 00:46:00,719
community and I was actually able to

1135
00:46:04,669 --> 00:46:01,739
talk to someone on the phone who had

1136
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:04,679
just been there and I attacks on Andros

1137
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:07,410
Island and he says that it's very odd

1138
00:46:10,579 --> 00:46:09,089
because it's it's not what you think

1139
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:10,589
it's going to be he says you dry

1140
00:46:13,909 --> 00:46:12,359
especially in this part of the Bahamas

1141
00:46:15,169 --> 00:46:13,919
someone thinks the Bahamas is what you

1142
00:46:17,419 --> 00:46:15,179
see you know in the travel be sure

1143
00:46:19,909 --> 00:46:17,429
there's a lot of it is third world he

1144
00:46:22,699 --> 00:46:19,919
says you just drive through these third

1145
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:22,709
world villages and just poor poor poor

1146
00:46:26,509 --> 00:46:24,359
conditions and then suddenly come upon

1147
00:46:28,789 --> 00:46:26,519
this fantastic Navy base on the middle

1148
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:28,799
of nowhere well and he says there's a

1149
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:30,569
huge cables that go down into the water

1150
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,890
there's all kinds of these satellite

1151
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:34,319
dishes and everything and it's just a

1152
00:46:38,359 --> 00:46:36,630
very interesting place it's the Navy's

1153
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:38,369
area 51 a lot of people like to call it

1154
00:46:42,259 --> 00:46:40,349
that and i think the Navy kind of gets a

1155
00:46:44,359 --> 00:46:42,269
free ride when it comes to UFOs because

1156
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:44,369
any kind of UFO military connection in

1157
00:46:48,229 --> 00:46:46,140
this country always goes right it falls

1158
00:46:49,729 --> 00:46:48,239
into the lap of the Air Force yeah but

1159
00:46:51,439 --> 00:46:49,739
the Navy themselves you know they have a

1160
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:51,449
lot of UFO files that they have not

1161
00:46:55,189 --> 00:46:53,400
released going back to World War two so

1162
00:46:56,779 --> 00:46:55,199
they kind of get a pass and again I know

1163
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:56,789
whatever really talks about the Nami do

1164
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:59,339
they know you know and no and no one

1165
00:47:03,799 --> 00:47:01,079
ever really kind of takes them to task

1166
00:47:05,449 --> 00:47:03,809
about it but and they should but so

1167
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:05,459
maybe this is the beginning right here

1168
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:08,640
okay your book and in this podcast yeah

1169
00:47:12,469 --> 00:47:10,650
perfect I think the third largest

1170
00:47:14,149 --> 00:47:12,479
listening audience we have is in

1171
00:47:17,029 --> 00:47:14,159
Australia and you do a little bit about

1172
00:47:20,269 --> 00:47:17,039
Australia can you talk about that yep aw

1173
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:20,279
it's really has a really different breed

1174
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:23,099
of UFOs and we stand out the chapter

1175
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:24,839
with this talking about this place

1176
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:27,599
called the nawab a plane and what that

1177
00:47:32,059 --> 00:47:29,339
is is it's a desert that stretches from

1178
00:47:33,709 --> 00:47:32,069
South Central Australia over to Western

1179
00:47:35,179 --> 00:47:33,719
Australia and there's a highway that

1180
00:47:37,779 --> 00:47:35,189
goes through it it's it's like about a

1181
00:47:40,459 --> 00:47:37,789
thousand miles long it's the longest

1182
00:47:42,649 --> 00:47:40,469
straightest highway in the world Wow

1183
00:47:46,459 --> 00:47:42,659
goes right through this desert so many

1184
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:46,469
UFOs have attacked motorists on this

1185
00:47:50,929 --> 00:47:48,209
highway that they actually put up a sign

1186
00:47:52,030 --> 00:47:50,939
saying you know driving on this highway

1187
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:52,040
may be hazardous

1188
00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:54,560
to your health because of your UFO

1189
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:56,990
activity so what do you mean by attacked

1190
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,090
well one instance that we have in the

1191
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:01,520
book tells the story of this family who

1192
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:02,990
would they're driving from the western

1193
00:48:08,830 --> 00:48:05,810
part of Australia and on the Nullah by

1194
00:48:10,270 --> 00:48:08,840
plane highway and a lot of people do it

1195
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:10,280
at night because it gets brutally hot

1196
00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:12,560
during the day and they were driving

1197
00:48:17,470 --> 00:48:14,390
along was it was a mother and three of

1198
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:17,480
her grown sons and they see a light

1199
00:48:21,970 --> 00:48:19,310
coming towards them and they just think

1200
00:48:23,050 --> 00:48:21,980
that it's a truck would say coming in

1201
00:48:24,730 --> 00:48:23,060
the other direction but then they

1202
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:24,740
realize that it's a single light and

1203
00:48:31,330 --> 00:48:29,090
it's in their lane hmm and they swerve

1204
00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:31,340
out of the way the thing goes right over

1205
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:33,740
the top of them they turn around they do

1206
00:48:38,830 --> 00:48:36,800
they go 180 degrees and now it's in

1207
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:38,840
front of them again they do 180 degrees

1208
00:48:42,670 --> 00:48:40,250
again and it's in front of them again

1209
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:42,680
and it starts chasing them so now they

1210
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:45,110
are frantic and they're there barreling

1211
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:47,650
down this highway going very fast and

1212
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:50,270
they hear something land on the roof of

1213
00:48:54,490 --> 00:48:52,670
the car and one of them reached up to

1214
00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:54,500
see what was happening when they when

1215
00:48:58,210 --> 00:48:56,270
they pulled the hand back in the chi was

1216
00:49:01,360 --> 00:48:58,220
just covered with this black suit the

1217
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:01,370
next thing they know the cost added to

1218
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:03,650
lift up off the highway and was dropped

1219
00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:06,740
that caused I think one or two of the

1220
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:09,020
tires to pop and makalah gets in an

1221
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:10,910
accident and goes off the side of the

1222
00:49:17,230 --> 00:49:13,970
road now they get out and they hide and

1223
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:17,240
they see this UFO it was a UFO going

1224
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:19,370
kind of studying the car for a little

1225
00:49:23,950 --> 00:49:21,950
while and then they take off the the UFO

1226
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,960
takes off they stayed there for a long

1227
00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:25,520
time until they finally somehow go a

1228
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:28,040
repeated the car and made it to the next

1229
00:49:32,850 --> 00:49:30,770
town the law enforcement came out and

1230
00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:32,860
everything that these people said happen

1231
00:49:36,850 --> 00:49:35,600
the evidence looked like it happened

1232
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:36,860
because you could see the tire tracks

1233
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:38,690
spinning and so on and so forth you

1234
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:39,890
could see with a car went off the road

1235
00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:42,050
what about the residue in the top of the

1236
00:49:47,350 --> 00:49:44,060
car I don't think that I think that was

1237
00:49:49,210 --> 00:49:47,360
gone that it also came with a really odd

1238
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:49,220
smell too they said it was a very

1239
00:49:54,970 --> 00:49:52,880
disturbing smell so when the law or the

1240
00:49:57,070 --> 00:49:54,980
law enforcement people put that together

1241
00:49:59,140 --> 00:49:57,080
with in with the fact that they had been

1242
00:50:01,690 --> 00:49:59,150
so many other instances of people

1243
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:01,700
reporting similar things that for

1244
00:50:08,339 --> 00:50:04,690
whatever reason UFOs seem to

1245
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:08,349
attack motorists on this highway so we

1246
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:11,230
get into that a little deeper and once

1247
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,950
go to help of nick redfern and he told

1248
00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:16,480
us that what happened was back in the

1249
00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:18,670
early 50s the british needed a place to

1250
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:21,190
start their atomic bomb testing there

1251
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:22,750
was no place in england to do it because

1252
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:24,609
English you know fairly crowded place

1253
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:26,290
and so they went down to Australia and

1254
00:50:30,329 --> 00:50:28,140
they actually took land from the native

1255
00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:30,339
Aborigines took over some of their

1256
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:32,380
sacred land instead of lighting off

1257
00:50:36,569 --> 00:50:34,210
nuclear on it it's pretty nice had a

1258
00:50:38,609 --> 00:50:36,579
great at a place called will mera and as

1259
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:38,619
soon as that started happening UFOs

1260
00:50:44,190 --> 00:50:41,250
started showing up in in abundance in

1261
00:50:47,250 --> 00:50:44,200
all this time that this will mirror test

1262
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:47,260
facility was open they had numerous UFO

1263
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:51,880
incidents power going out UFOs flying

1264
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:54,130
around where the bombs are going to go

1265
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,480
off at once get a lot of documented and

1266
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:00,160
for whatever reason this stud this whole

1267
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:03,130
idea that UFOs in Australia ant-like we

1268
00:51:06,990 --> 00:51:05,170
think of them at least in this country

1269
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:07,000
is being kind of benign you know kind of

1270
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:08,710
observers you know they they never

1271
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:11,170
really interact with us very much and

1272
00:51:15,809 --> 00:51:14,140
certainly not in this you know in a kind

1273
00:51:18,809 --> 00:51:15,819
of a negative manner but in Australia

1274
00:51:20,910 --> 00:51:18,819
they do I never knew that yeah whatever

1275
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:20,920
reason so now we're at this place in

1276
00:51:25,050 --> 00:51:22,930
that is literally in the center of

1277
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:25,060
Australia called pine gap and it's this

1278
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:27,369
massive facility that the u.s. built

1279
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:29,890
there the National Security Agency built

1280
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:31,990
their nearly never heard of that CIA

1281
00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:34,240
runs it dead center of the continent

1282
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:37,150
center of the country and it's a huge

1283
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,810
listening post they listened in on other

1284
00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:43,359
people's satellite transmissions they

1285
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:45,940
listened in on phone calls I mean this

1286
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:48,550
latest controversy with the NSA where

1287
00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:49,930
they're listening and have the ability

1288
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,180
to listen in on anyone they want which

1289
00:51:56,190 --> 00:51:53,680
is different from listening in on

1290
00:51:58,170 --> 00:51:56,200
everybody they can listen in on anyone

1291
00:52:00,329 --> 00:51:58,180
they want but they're not listening in

1292
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:00,339
on all of us they have an algorithm

1293
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:02,890
where they can go through billions of

1294
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:06,310
phone calls in a matter of seconds and

1295
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:09,550
they look for key words and phrases and

1296
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:12,010
if one pops up they're going to listen

1297
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:13,900
in on you this is one of the places that

1298
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,730
they do that they also monitor space

1299
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:18,160
flights there they monitor other kind

1300
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:21,370
free space launches and it's just this

1301
00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:23,110
massive facility out in the middle of

1302
00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:24,760
nowhere yeah because it's you know

1303
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:26,620
Australia's populated along the coast

1304
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:29,410
but right the center Wow and and it has

1305
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:32,220
you know these really fantastic UFO

1306
00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:34,810
anecdotes come from this place in fact

1307
00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:37,900
we the one we have in the book was this

1308
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,340
incident that was witnessed by five

1309
00:52:43,950 --> 00:52:41,680
people who if you've ever seen the movie

1310
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:43,960
Close Encounters of the Third Kind at

1311
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:46,210
the end where the spaceship comes down

1312
00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:47,950
and there's interaction between the ETS

1313
00:52:52,770 --> 00:52:50,230
and the humans it's almost a rewrite of

1314
00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:52,780
that all you need is John Williams music

1315
00:52:56,460 --> 00:52:55,180
you know in the background but the

1316
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:56,470
interesting thing was that there was a

1317
00:53:00,480 --> 00:52:59,050
prior incident with that someone

1318
00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:00,490
witnessed they came out long before the

1319
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:03,070
movie which which is close in that

1320
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:07,090
detail as well lots UFOs seem coming in

1321
00:53:10,590 --> 00:53:08,710
and out of the mountains there a lot of

1322
00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:10,600
people believe that in this case that

1323
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:14,440
these UFOs are actually man-made flying

1324
00:53:18,750 --> 00:53:16,330
objects you know they seem to be in

1325
00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:18,760
concert with the people who are running

1326
00:53:23,370 --> 00:53:21,160
Pine Gap there's a very small village

1327
00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:23,380
nearby called Alice Springs when the

1328
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,020
people there see UFOs all the time as

1329
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,480
well the government the Australian

1330
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:30,400
Government there was one UFO encounter

1331
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,220
up there that was so vivid that the

1332
00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:34,960
australian government which apparently

1333
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:37,630
has its own TV channel there said we're

1334
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:39,250
going to look into this and we're going

1335
00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:40,990
to tell you exactly what happened there

1336
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:42,430
and then they never mentioned it again

1337
00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:44,770
yeah and about in the Australian

1338
00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:47,080
military quote-unquote lost a lot of the

1339
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:50,560
UFO FILES a few years ago so Australia

1340
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:53,110
has a different breed of UFOs it's very

1341
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,570
strange interesting though yeah we're

1342
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:56,800
getting near the end of our time here do

1343
00:54:01,260 --> 00:53:58,570
you want to talk a little bit about many

1344
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,270
of your other books well as it turned

1345
00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:04,480
out I was able to ride to area 51

1346
00:54:08,730 --> 00:54:06,280
related books almost at the same time

1347
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:08,740
you mean another one in addition to this

1348
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:11,410
is that is it out yes it is right yeah

1349
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:13,270
but I have to explain a little bit I

1350
00:54:18,570 --> 00:54:15,550
when I first started writing the 80s the

1351
00:54:20,310 --> 00:54:18,580
first thing i did i had this men's

1352
00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:20,320
action-adventure series called wingman

1353
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,750
it was about as any fighter pilot

1354
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:24,640
and that's really how I kind of made my

1355
00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:26,890
bones in the writing business and we

1356
00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:29,980
sold a million copies between 1987 and

1357
00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:33,940
1999 16 original books and then I went

1358
00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:36,280
on to other things well ever since then

1359
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,600
people have been writing to me and

1360
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,040
emailing me and saying when you're going

1361
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,400
to stop this series up again so as I was

1362
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:45,760
finishing behind area 51 another

1363
00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:48,570
publisher got involved and wanted to

1364
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:51,070
revive the wingman series so they said

1365
00:54:55,410 --> 00:54:52,900
well look we're going to release all the

1366
00:54:58,260 --> 00:54:55,420
original books as ebooks and then as

1367
00:55:00,510 --> 00:54:58,270
real as original paperbacks later on

1368
00:55:02,070 --> 00:55:00,520
this year but do you want to write a new

1369
00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:02,080
wing me and adventure to kind of start

1370
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:04,840
it up again and so I said sure and they

1371
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:06,310
said well you can just you know pick

1372
00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:08,140
whatever plot you want whatever and I

1373
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:09,940
said well why not haven't got area 51 I

1374
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:12,010
have all this area 51 research laying

1375
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:15,730
around so I was able to kind of take the

1376
00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:18,130
research that I had done for beyond area

1377
00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:20,680
51 and just created this you know it's

1378
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:24,340
it's it's wing me and is mad max in a

1379
00:55:28,110 --> 00:55:26,050
jet fighter that's how it's described

1380
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:28,120
and he's this kind of superhero fighter

1381
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:30,610
pilot but you know going to hear a 51

1382
00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:32,260
you know adds that kind of mystery of

1383
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:34,180
the UFOs and everything so everything

1384
00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:36,190
all the fantastic things that I didn't

1385
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,200
put in this book I managed to put in

1386
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:40,960
this book called attack on area 51 and

1387
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,090
22 dollar two-dollar download from

1388
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:45,760
amazon com you know it's it's a lot of

1389
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:48,010
people like it you know it's it's it's

1390
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:49,810
kind of like a lot of fun it's not

1391
00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:52,630
really serious but it's been able to it

1392
00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:54,700
succeeded in reviving the whole we me

1393
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:56,440
and series against oh oh great I've

1394
00:55:59,580 --> 00:55:58,210
always wanted to do for the past 15

1395
00:56:01,520 --> 00:55:59,590
years so yeah I actually saw something

1396
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:01,530
on facebook about that you wrote on that

1397
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:04,720
the person you met with you initially

1398
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:09,610
talked about the spook I guess now what

1399
00:56:14,850 --> 00:56:11,740
was the second the last meeting with him

1400
00:56:17,550 --> 00:56:14,860
after all this okay well yeah there's

1401
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:17,560
there's a person who is in area beyond

1402
00:56:21,390 --> 00:56:19,750
area 51 he a friend of mine who works

1403
00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:21,400
for the Intelligence Agency someone I've

1404
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:24,550
known since grade school and someone

1405
00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:26,230
says he follows you around in the book

1406
00:56:31,770 --> 00:56:28,360
like Molly's ghost you know like in

1407
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:31,780
Christmas Carol not quite but he did

1408
00:56:35,530 --> 00:56:33,400
read sections of the book as I was

1409
00:56:37,390 --> 00:56:35,540
writing them and I all I said to him was

1410
00:56:39,010 --> 00:56:37,400
and a initial meeting which is the

1411
00:56:41,710 --> 00:56:39,020
beginning of the book if you see me

1412
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:41,720
strain too far off just let me know yeah

1413
00:56:48,580 --> 00:56:45,650
and they said fine so we meet at the end

1414
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:48,590
of the at the end of the book to at a

1415
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:52,850
bar in close to Boston and he brings me

1416
00:56:56,890 --> 00:56:54,140
to a place that I'm not going to

1417
00:56:58,780 --> 00:56:56,900
identify I think it's best left as the

1418
00:57:00,940 --> 00:56:58,790
punchline of the book he brings me to a

1419
00:57:02,350 --> 00:57:00,950
very surprising place in he says that

1420
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:02,360
you know there are these secret bases

1421
00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:05,510
everywhere but if they won't if they

1422
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:08,060
quote they want to hide something they

1423
00:57:12,550 --> 00:57:10,310
hide it in plain sight and he makes the

1424
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:12,560
case that if you really have something

1425
00:57:17,590 --> 00:57:15,650
that's just super supa dupa secret you

1426
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:17,600
don't hide it at area 51 or any of these

1427
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:19,810
places you hide it in plain sight and

1428
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:21,980
the place where we were sitting he just

1429
00:57:27,570 --> 00:57:23,390
kind of spread his arms and he says in

1430
00:57:29,740 --> 00:57:27,580
fact they could just hide it here and

1431
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:29,750
when he said it I couldn't quite believe

1432
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:32,450
it but you have to really buy the book

1433
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:33,770
to see where we are but it's a very

1434
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:36,890
surprising place well yeah that's a good

1435
00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:38,210
teaser that'll get someone to buy this

1436
00:57:43,150 --> 00:57:40,280
book to announce one more time you will

1437
00:57:46,810 --> 00:57:43,160
be a guest star on our forum from July

1438
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,820
twentieth to july twenty third and that

1439
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:49,040
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1440
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:51,290
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1441
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:54,530
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1442
00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:57,050
Mac Maloney what has been involved with

1443
00:58:00,760 --> 00:57:59,330
in the past thanks so much thanks I

1444
00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:00,770
really looking forward to that thank you

1445
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:02,990
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1446
00:58:08,140 --> 00:58:04,970
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1447
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:08,150
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1448
00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:10,250
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1449
00:58:16,420 --> 00:58:13,580
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1450
00:58:18,310 --> 00:58:16,430
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1451
00:58:20,290 --> 00:58:18,320
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1452
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:20,300
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00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:25,370
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